Joe Biden's First Political Thread

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1901.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:13 pm


Denver, I haven't heard you condemn the 60 minutes hit piece, does that mean you think its ok? And when they are fact checking it's always "he must have been thinking about these numbers etc...." Not he lied. And yes, I know Trump made stuff up as he went, but they are fact correcting for Biden
Um, I said: "But yes, it seemed very cherry picked."

Without actually being able to watch the whole 60 minutes piece because I was busy with other things, and not being there it's hard to say except from articles like this.
New York (CNN Business)"60 Minutes" is facing backlash for a story it aired Sunday on Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis — including from the supermarket chain Publix and two prominent Democrats in the state.

As part of a larger story about Florida's vaccine rollout, the renowned newsmagazine program spotlighted a recent $100,000 donation that Publix made to DeSantis' re-election bid.
The story, by correspondent Sharyn Alfonsi, suggested there was a possible link between the donation and the state's partnership with Publix stores for vaccine distribution — a serious issue of foul play, if true.
But, beyond spotlighting the public finance records, "60 Minutes" never offered any substantive evidence to support the significant assertion and link the donation with the partnership.
After the report aired, the Democratic director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management and Democratic county mayor of Palm Beach County both publicly responded, saying that partnering with Publix was not suggested by anyone from DeSantis' office.
Which was linked from CNN's front page. The evil MSM.

So yes, it seems to me like 60 minutes f-d up this time.
Did they start with criticism of the story, or are they reacting to other reports of it? Do you see there is a difference?
Seems like you are splitting hairs. They critique the store with facts in the article. Like what Democrats in PBC said about how 60 minutes misled.
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1902.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:14 pm

Can you point to specifics other than what you quoted? It's a very short article with mostly quotes. It seems like they are reporting information. They could have probably dug in and looked to see how frequently voter roles are purged. I would guess Colorado does it more frequently because they send them to all registered voters. It's a political football in purging voting records in many states, and is very difficult to do in many instances. I guess they could have explained that better.
The implication of the story is that Colorado voting is a lot like Georgia voting. From all the on the ground knowledge I have of voting here, that couldn't be further from the truth.
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1903.evil gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:18 pm


Um, I said: "But yes, it seemed very cherry picked."

Without actually being able to watch the whole 60 minutes piece because I was busy with other things, and not being there it's hard to say except from articles like this.



Which was linked from CNN's front page. The evil MSM.

So yes, it seems to me like 60 minutes f-d up this time.
Did they start with criticism of the story, or are they reacting to other reports of it? Do you see there is a difference?
Seems like you are splitting hairs. They critique the store with facts in the article. Like what Democrats in PBC said about how 60 minutes misled.
Not really. If others hadn’t criticized the story first would they have bothered? You don’t think there’s a problem there?
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1904.52:20 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:18 pm

It's simplified, and I think I could have gone further with it and I'm not a reporter, but it is night and day from the 60 minute hit job on Desantis.
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1905.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:21 pm


Did they start with criticism of the story, or are they reacting to other reports of it? Do you see there is a difference?
Seems like you are splitting hairs. They critique the store with facts in the article. Like what Democrats in PBC said about how 60 minutes misled.
Not really. If others hadn’t criticized the story first would they have bothered? You don’t think there’s a problem there?
It's Tuesday. Is it CNN's role to watchdog every story run by competing MSM media outlets? Of course they're going to point out stuff that comes to light, whether they were the first ones in or not.
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1906.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:23 pm

It's simplified, and I think I could have gone further with it and I'm not a reporter, but it is night and day from the 60 minute hit job on Desantis.
I'm not sure how it isn't a hit job on how elections are run in Colorado and a hit job on the MLB, giving those FoxNews viewers in the other 49 states some sort thought that we have shady elections here.
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1907.52:20 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:25 pm

It's simplified, and I think I could have gone further with it and I'm not a reporter, but it is night and day from the 60 minute hit job on Desantis.
I'm not sure how it isn't a hit job on how elections are run in Colorado and a hit job on the MLB, giving those FoxNews viewers in the other 49 states some sort thought that we have shady elections here.
Ok, I'll give you that. They were selective. 60 minutes wasn't just selective, they lied, blatantly.
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1908.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:28 pm

It's simplified, and I think I could have gone further with it and I'm not a reporter, but it is night and day from the 60 minute hit job on Desantis.
I'm not sure how it isn't a hit job on how elections are run in Colorado and a hit job on the MLB, giving those FoxNews viewers in the other 49 states some sort thought that we have shady elections here.
Ok, I'll give you that. They were selective. 60 minutes wasn't just selective, they lied, blatantly.
Right, and I'm sure we can find far more instances where Fox has lied too. The ole juggsy "they all do it" argument. And frankly, if I were Publix, I'd slap a libel/slander suit on them. Just like Dominion and others did to Fox. I've never said that the MSM hasn't been biased, or even crossed the line at some point. It just seems like the right wing media at the current point in time does it more often, and with bigger consequences.
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1909.52:20 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:29 pm



I'm not sure how it isn't a hit job on how elections are run in Colorado and a hit job on the MLB, giving those FoxNews viewers in the other 49 states some sort thought that we have shady elections here.
Ok, I'll give you that. They were selective. 60 minutes wasn't just selective, they lied, blatantly.
Right, and I'm sure we can find far more instances where Fox has lied too. The ole juggsy "they all do it argument". And frankly, if I were Publix, I'd slap a libel/slander suit on them. Just like Dominion and others did to Fox. I've never said that the MSM hasn't been biased, or even crossed the line at some point. It just seems like the right wing media at the current point in time does it more often, and with bigger consequences.
I was just thinking that. I think they saved themselves by saying "possible"

And selective reporting is constant, among all the news orgs now, out and out lying about facts they have right in front of them is a bit more rare. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't know of any off hand. Vo may have a bunch at the ready to cut and paste.
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1910.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:46 pm


Ok, I'll give you that. They were selective. 60 minutes wasn't just selective, they lied, blatantly.
Right, and I'm sure we can find far more instances where Fox has lied too. The ole juggsy "they all do it argument". And frankly, if I were Publix, I'd slap a libel/slander suit on them. Just like Dominion and others did to Fox. I've never said that the MSM hasn't been biased, or even crossed the line at some point. It just seems like the right wing media at the current point in time does it more often, and with bigger consequences.
I was just thinking that. I think they saved themselves by saying "possible"

And selective reporting is constant, among all the news orgs now, out and out lying about facts they have right in front of them is a bit more rare. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't know of any off hand. Vo may have a bunch at the ready to cut and paste.
Here's the thing, it's the volume of it. It's one thing to pick at a 60 Minutes piece that may have gone too far. In general, 60 Minutes maintains a decent amount of credibility.

But then, be even handed about it. Vo does have a bunch at the ready to be cut and pasted, because there was a Ton during the last admin. Daily and significant. But Fox, that a significant portion of the nation watches, and believes is just as credible as a show like 60 minutes. Has the Biden admin been completely honest? absolutely NOT. But it's the volume and significance of it. It's one thing to bend predicted job numbers to gain support for a bill, it's quite another to for months call an election stolen for months, and have Fox back you up on it. It's hard to let that go, and then now whine because 60 Minutes may have mislead their viewers about Desantis and vaccines and not say, well, "Where have you been the past four years"
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1911.52:20 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:50 pm

Isn't this what you charge Juggs with?
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1912.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:50 pm

Isn't this what you charge Juggs with?
Yes, that's why I said it's hard to not fall into to that. 8-) But I explicitly admit that I'm doing it.
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1913.PG. » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:51 pm

Show an example of fox backing up that the election was stolen. Their lack of doing that is why their ratings have fallen.
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1914.PG. » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:55 pm

And I'm talking the news side of fox. Not opinion people like hannity.
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1915.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:58 pm

Show an example of fox backing up that the election was stolen. Their lack of doing that is why their ratings have fallen.
After they were threatened with lawsuits. You really don't think Fox wasn't pushing the "election was stolen" idea. Read the details in the lawsuits by Dominion and others. I don't have links to videos of the Lou Dobbs and Bartiromo and their interviews with Guliani and Powels shows sitting around. Chances are, Fox has already taken this stuff down from their website.
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1916.evil gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:09 pm

Wasn’t that idiot Lou dobbs fired. Again you’re comparing apples and oranges. Opinion shows vs “news” coverage.
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1917.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:45 pm

Wasn’t that idiot Lou dobbs fired. Again you’re comparing apples and oranges. Opinion shows vs “news” coverage.
Many fox viewers don't make that distinction. And if you lie to back up an opinion, it's still a lie.
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1918.Denver-Gator » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 pm

Wasn’t that idiot Lou dobbs fired. Again you’re comparing apples and oranges. Opinion shows vs “news” coverage.
To elaborate, Let's say someone comes on a fox "opinion" show and says "There are 10000 dead people voting in Georgia" with no evidence. Fox will put on a banner, "10000 dead people voting in Georgia". That's not opinion any more, that's them lying.

On the other hand, let's say someone comes on Fox saying Biden is putting immigrants in cages, just as bad if not worse than Trump did, and then they post a drone photo that's current of immigrants in cages. That's legit, with factual information backing up an opinion.
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1919.PG. » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:44 pm

Only thing that may save gaetz is the shear volume of people that are about to get blown up in another scandal involving a game played by Florida house members
You don't think the doj can handle more than one investigation?
I’m more talking about public perception. He’s going to be indicted. If he’s found guilty, nothing will save him. He is going to be a substory to the sex conquest game played in the news for the foreseeable future. Only reason he’ll still be mentioned is because of who he is in relation to the others.
When can we expect this indictment?

BTW one of the guys he named admitted they asked for 25 million. In return for gaetz getting "good publicity".

I think what will come out of this is he is a sleazeball who played sugar daddy and participated in a game that gave points for sexual conquests, extra points for married women...but nothing illegal unless he fucked up and ended up with a 17 year old through one of the sugar daddy sites but I doubt it.
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1920.Fishon » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:47 pm

"sleazy but not technically illegal" should be the GOP's slogan
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1921.PG. » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:51 pm

Yeah right... none of that happens with democrats lol.
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1922.PG. » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:52 pm

No bias on your part, right?
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1923.PG. » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:31 pm

Wonder if a president getting a blow job from an intern would be considrred sleazy but not illegal.
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1924.52:20 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:37 pm



You don't think the doj can handle more than one investigation?
I’m more talking about public perception. He’s going to be indicted. If he’s found guilty, nothing will save him. He is going to be a substory to the sex conquest game played in the news for the foreseeable future. Only reason he’ll still be mentioned is because of who he is in relation to the others.
When can we expect this indictment?

BTW one of the guys he named admitted they asked for 25 million. In return for gaetz getting "good publicity".

I think what will come out of this is he is a sleazeball who played sugar daddy and participated in a game that gave points for sexual conquests, extra points for married women...but nothing illegal unless he fucked up and ended up with a 17 year old through one of the sugar daddy sites but I doubt it.
When Gaetz was in the Florida house, he often showed pictures of girls he was with previously, it was/is well known. He was the only one to vote against the revenge porn bill and blocked substantive measure and made sure it was watered down to only include pictures/videos uploaded to the internet. So one could show pictures, text etc.. as long as it wasnt published. After he left they made it a crime to show graphic pictures of others unless there was consent. That in itself may get him, but he is under investigation by the FBI, it'll come but they aren't going to indict until they are ready. And yes, the guy confirmed he asked for $25 million, hardly extortion is there was no inherent threat.
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1925.gatorbreeze » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:42 pm

Wonder if a president getting a blow job from an intern would be considrred sleazy but not illegal.
Wonder if a President's wife ever set a group up formally named "the war room" informal "the nuts and sluts squad":


The books “Hell to Pay” by Barbara Olson and “No One Left to Lie To” by Christopher Hitchens depict Hillary Clinton as the puppet master behind the hiring of lawyers and private detectives to dig up dirt on her husband's accusers.

Bolstering the credibility of Hitchens’ book is a foreword written by respected historian Douglas Brinkley, a frequent guest on CNN, MSNBC and other networks....

Elder: “Why do you suppose has Hillary never -- to my knowledge -- been asked, point-blank, ‘Did you or did you not verbally intimidate an alleged rape survivor by the name Juanita Broaddrick, as she alleges you did?’”

Klayman: “I don’t think anybody’s had the guts to do it. ... But the hard reality here is ... Hillary Clinton started what was called the ‘war room.’ ... This is ... in the campaign of 1992, which elected her husband. George Stephanopoulos was part of that. James Carville was part of it.

“And the purpose of the war room -- and Stephanopoulos ... of course ... doesn’t want to discuss this -- was to destroy any woman that would challenge Bill Clinton, because she knew, undoubtedly, that if her husband didn’t make it to the White House, that someday she wouldn’t make it to the White House, either.

“... She wanted to protect her own interests, and to do that she had to destroy the women who she knew were going to come forward and reveal the alleged sexual harassment and rape, and the intimidation that was about ready to be leveled against these women to keep them quiet.”

Elder: “What can you tell us about what Hillary did? What was her role in all of this?”

Klayman: “We know from the various women who had contact. Some of them had contact with Hillary Clinton in Arkansas. They know her way of doing business. ... And Stephanopoulos and Carville himself effectively admitted it when they did that documentary, ‘The War Room.’

“It was Hillary who was at the top of that. She was the one who called the shots. And the private detectives who were sicced on these women ... were hired by Hillary Clinton. I took the deposition of (one) and confirmed that (he was) hired through Hillary’s lawyer.

https://www.investors.com/politics/comm ... o-and-why/
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